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irapilot
 Post subject: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:24 pm 
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Trying to decipher the language regarding the American-King A/D, how does this effect us experimental guys does it even apply to us? Any clarification would be helpful.
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Rich Brazell
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:16 pm 
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My misguided son . Go to CFR 91.207 with regard to ELTs and/or go to the EAA web site for more specific info pertaining to ELTs . :P Deleting the 243.0 Mhz and replacing it with the 406 Mhz freq .

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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:32 pm 
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I'm pretty sure it does apply to us, Ira. You've got to have a legal ELT, and the FAA determined that that one broke the law. :o

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James Grahn
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:42 pm 
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My take on generic ADs. ...My FSDO emphatically states they DO NOT apply to experimentals. However, you insurance company may disagree. So if you disregard an AD and your insurance company will not pay, was it worth it?
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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:10 pm 
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Thanks for the input guys


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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:38 pm 
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James Grahn wrote:
My take on generic ADs. ...My FSDO emphatically states they DO NOT apply to experimentals. However, you insurance company may disagree. So if you disregard an AD and your insurance company will not pay, was it worth it?
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I think this is a little different situation. Unlike ADs for many parts you might use on an Experimental airplane, ELTs are a piece of mandated equipment, that has to meet certain requirements and has to be approved by the FAA. You can't just go out, build and use your own ELT without it being tested and approved to meet this particular standard, and you can't legally use one that doesn't meet the standards under which it was approved. Just like the FAA can tell you which ADS-B units you can legally use on an Experimental or any other airplane (certain NavWorx units now disallowed), the same goes for ELTs. As usual, I could be wrong.

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Jeff J
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:34 am 
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I found this on the FAA website a while back: (http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/de ... sguide.doc)
"Experimental aircraft:

ADs are not applicable to non-TC’d amateur built aircraft (unless addressing a safety condition involving a TC’d engine or propeller)."

As pointed out earlier, ELTs are a special case because they are specifically mandated. I haven’t read that reg in a while. I need to replace an ELT on one of the projects this winter but I have no intention of going 406 unless required.

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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:53 am 
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I understand that no one want's to be dictated to by the FAA. I currently have a 406 in my Twin, and I plan on installing a 406 in the Thorp. Not because the FAA sez so, but if there is a issue and the A/C and I end up off airport, the 406 gets searches within a mile or so without being connected to a GPS. If it was receiving a GPS position before being activated it will provide a position within a hundred yards. The 121.5 system is no longer monitored, and IF the signal is heard they start with a 20 mile search area. The cost of the 406 unit starts at about $500.00, the batteries last five years, but cost at least five times as much ($100.00 - $150.00). The question is what is your and your passengers butt worth? I would gladly pay $500.00 extra not to spend a night wondering if anybody could find me after a off airport landing.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:07 pm 
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Phil,
That's why I installed a 406 MHz unit when my 121.5 unit crapped out. I got mine from Pacific Coast Avionics.

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Jeff J
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:30 pm 
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My case is a little different. I normally fly over 200 hours a year in aircraft that are exempt from needing an ELT. This is the first year in a long time where I flew an aircraft requiring an ELT more than 5 hours so I guess it might be fair to say I have a bad attitude on the subject. Additionally, the ELT I need to replace is for a C-150 project that I am already $10,000 upside down on. The buyer can upgrade if desired but me spending the money will not increase the value of the aircraft.

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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:31 am 
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Bruce,
I also buy most of my avionics from Pacific Coast, Randy there will work to come up with the best deal he can plus no sales tax in Oregon.

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James Grahn
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:22 pm 
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I reread my post after John's reply. I guess I was rather unclear. I maintain my aircraft in accordance with all ADs. The FAA may not require it, but I do. I would not want to put my wife in a position of arguing with an insurance company over the airworthiness of my bird.
I have not upgraded to 406 in the Tigress yet, but I intend to someday.
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 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:44 pm 
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I was really starting to think I had an ACK sitting in the shop for 218TH - turns out it's an Ameri-King 450 and has now become wall art. It'll go in the basket with the chafe packets I found in the attic. Might make for an interesting 'drop' in the gulf someday! Both the chafe and the elt....


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Jeff J
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:31 am 
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James Grahn wrote:
I reread my post after John's reply. I guess I was rather unclear. I maintain my aircraft in accordance with all ADs. The FAA may not require it, but I do. I would not want to put my wife in a position of arguing with an insurance company over the airworthiness of my bird...


I didn't think you were unclear and if I implied it with my post I apologize. I made my post because many AD's do not apply to amateur built aircraft in the eyes of the FAA but many do. I have seen way too many people ignore AD's that are required because they "thought" no AD's apply to amateur built aircraft. While it may be true of the airframe itself, some of the aircraft components can easily be affected and make the entire aircraft illegal. A popular one is the Hartzell propellers affected by the expensive recurring hub inspection AD. If people want to confirm it for themselves there is the link and quote I posted above plus there are FAA legal interpretations and the EAA's own position on the topic posted on the internet as well. It doesn't have to make sense, it's the government.

I agree, it is always a good idea to comply with an AD whether or not it is required.

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Rich Brazell
 Post subject: Re: Ameri-king Elt A/D
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:02 pm 
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If you ever decide to sell the AC , having ALL the AD's complied with is a big plus . :o Ask me how I know . ???

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